MAH || 2025-09-12
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Will Paquin – We Really Done It This Time || single
2.) Minus World – Fvck This City || single
3.) Hayley Williams – Parachute || Ego Death At A Bachelorette Party
4.) The Dears – Tears Of A Nation || single
5.) TOPS – Annihilation || Bury The Key
6.) Begonia – Hotter Than The Sun || single
7.) Mear – That Song || single
8.) Lammping, Bliidshot Bill – Won’t Back Down || Never Never
9.) Cafuné – Attack + Release || single
10.) No Joy – Garbage Dream House || Bugland
11.) mark williams lewis – Seventeen || single
12.) Khruangbin, Leon Bridges – Texas Sun || Texas Sun
13.) Big Thief – Los Angeles || Double Infinity
14.) KAYTRANADA – SPACE INVADER || AIN’T NO DAMN WAY!
Nothing in Particular: 2025-Sep-09
Episode 10. For this week’s [x] Years Later segment, x = 39 and the artist is the godfather of goth, Peter Murphy, with news highlights from 1986.
| Artist | Song | Album | Year |
|---|---|---|---|
| Boy Harsher | Fate | Careful | 2019 |
| Men 2nd | White Clouds Ahead | The Antibody Songs | 1988 |
| Midival Punditz | Har Ek Baat | Hello Hello | 2009 |
| Delhi 2 Dublin | Dil Nachde (Radio Edit) | Delhi 2 Dublin | 2007 |
| David Francey | Pandora’s Box | So Say We All | 2013 |
| Nada Surf | What Is Your Secret? | The Weight Is a Gift | 2005 |
| R.E.M. | Wolves, Lower | Dead Letter Office | 1987 |
| Peter Murphy | The Light Pours Out Of Me | Should The World Fail To Fall Apart | 1986 |
| Peter Murphy | Time Waits | Silver Shade | 2025 |
| Northcore | Oxygen | Desatero | 2012 |
| David Sylvian | September | Secrets of the Beehive | 1987 |
| Ché Aimee Dorval | Afraid | Between the Walls & the Window | 2018 |
| Chloé Breault | C’est Fini | Plage Des Morons | 2020 |
| Rose Chronicles | Nothing’s Real | Shiver | 1993 |
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2FER || 2025-09-11
2FER || 2025-09-11
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Oranje – Body || single
2.) Oranje – Styrofoam || single
3.) Men I Trust – Come Back Down || Equus Caballus
4.) Men I Trust – Another Stone || Equus Caballus
5.) Grand Theft Bus – Something Medicinal || Say It With Me
6.) Grand Theft Bus – Don’t Treat Me Like That || Birth of Confusion
7.) The Merci Buckets – Executive Dysfunction || ALLURE
8.) The Merci Buckets – Needed To Be || ALLURE
9.) Family Man – I Cried Into His Hands || single
10.) Family Man – Company Of Portraits || single
11.) Motherhood – Bok Globule || Thunder Perfect Mind
12.) Motherhood – Sunk || Thunder Perfect Mind
13.) BA Johnston – Why Can’t Tonight Be Wing Night || Werewolves of London, Ontario
14.) BA Johnston – Canadian Beers || The Skid Is Hot Tonight
15.) The Hypochondriacs – Caught Up (Live) || The Hypochondriacs Live
16.) The Hypochondriacs – Cheater (Live) || The Hypochondriacs Live
People Need Music: September 11, 2025
Today, Kylie Fox and Josh Bravener popped by the CHSR FM studios to debut a new song and promote their concert at the Playhouse on Sunday, Sept 14th as part of Harvest Music Fest.
www.harvestmusicfest.ca
www.kyliefox.ca
Playlist:
Kylie Fox – Flush ::
Kylie Fox & Josh Bravener – Biggest Fan ::
The Hypochondriacs – 3/4 ::
Joel Plaskett – Through & Through & Through
Michael Feuerstack – Where Are You Now? ::
Goose – Royal ::
Joce Reyome – Cross My Heart ::
Grand Theft Bus – Never Can Tell
Spotlight || Penny & The Pits – Liquid Compactor (2025-09-10)
Spotlight 2025-09-10 
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Penny & The Pits – Montenegro On Ice || Liquid Compactor
2.) Penny & The Pits – Thick Black Gloves || Liquid Compactor
3.) Penny & The Pits – Pool Party || Liquid Compactor
4.) Penny & The Pits – Self Defence || Liquid Compactor
5.) Penny & The Pits – Eutychus || Liquid Compactor
6.) Penny & The Pits – Headcrusher || Liquid Compactor
7.) Penny & The Pits – Ward of the Watershed || Liquid Compactor
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-11
MAH || 2025-09-11
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Dillon Ryan & The Dream Romantic – Addressed To You || In Polaroid
2.) Leanne Betasamosake Simpson – Murder Of Crows || single
3.) Pictureplane – Weeping Sky || single
4.) Grumpy – Rice || single
5.) Emily Yacina – The Clearing || single
6.) Father John Misty – Nancy From Now On || Fear Fun
7.) Marc McLaughlin – All I Can Say || All I Can Say
8.) Orillia – Rich Chicago People || single
9.) Joel Strauss – Two Wolves || Noonday Drive At 12AM
10.) Waxahatchee, MJ Lenderman – Right Back To It || Tigers Blood
11.) Justine Richardson – Better Run || single
12.) Kim Stockwood – Jerk || Bonavista
13.) Capital 6 – Give It to ’em || Not My One
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-10
MAH || 2025-09-10
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Muncho – King Midas of Bad Vibes || Is This Something?
2.) Mac DeMarco – Rock And Roll || Guitar
3.) Papal Visit – How Can You Change Your Ways? || single
4.) Keith Hallett – REOCCURRING DREAM || MEZMERIZE ME
5.) OSEES – INFECTED CHROME || ABOMINATION REVEALED AT LAST
6.) Altered by Mom – Sucking on a Lemon || BETTER
7.) The Last Dinner Party – The Scythe || single
8.) Yves Jarvis – One Gripe || All Cylinders
9.) Verzache – Sinking || single
10.) Mappe Of – Terraforming Moons || single
11.) Georgia Harmer – Can We Be Still || Eye of the Storm
12.) CLOVER – My Kind of Woman || single
13.) Ellur – Missing Kid || single
14.) Western Bloc – The Universal || The Modern Age
15.) Bluerock Junction – Thrift Store Queen || Thrift Store Queen
Away From the Mire Episode 90 – Harvest!
Welcome back to the 3rd annual Away From the Mire Harvest preview show.
Another great lineup this year and hope to see you all downtown whether on the streets or in the tents.
Connor Fox – Don’t Ruin A Good Thing
Capital 6 – In The Weird
Eddie 9V – Saratoga
Goose – Arcadia
Nate and the Busy Boys – In The Mood
Gob – No Regrets
Scientists Of Sound – Train REC
Lotus – Stranger Danger
Karina Rykman – Plants
Portgual, The Man – Got It All
Indigo Girls – Galileo (live)
Melissa Etheridge I’m The Only One (live)
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Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-09
MAH || 2025-09-09
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Flood Plain – Boom Town || BOOM TOWN
2.) Summer Bruises – Gut Rot || single
3.) Joel Plaskett Emergency – Written All Over Me || Truthfully Truthfully
4.) Foxwarren – Listen2me || 2
5.) The Burning Hell – You’ll Know It When It’s Over || single
6.) Tame Impala – Loser || single
7.) Suki Waterhouse – My Fun || Memoir of a Sparklemuffin
8.) Charlotte Cardin – Tant pis pour elle || single
9.) The Darcys – Don’t Start Now || I Must Be Dreaming
10.) Stereolab – Aerial Troubles || Instant Holograms On Metal Film
11.) Saya Gray – ..THUS IS WHY (I DON’T SPRING 4 LOVE) || SAYA
12.) Wet Leg – don’t speak || moisturizer
13.) Passion Pit – Little Secrets || Manners
14.) Royel Otis – i hate this tune || hickey
15.) The Invincible Summer – Lonely in Paradise || The Invincible Summer
16.) Mounties – Pretty Respectable || Thrash Rock Legacy
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-08
MAH || 2025-09-08
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Serge Paul – Paralyzed || Rumination
2.) Umläb – Antennes || single
3.) JayWood – ASSUMPTIONS || LEO NEGRO
4.) Good Dear Good – Fool Me || single
5.) Late Again – Chick’n Tenders || Clearly It’s All Staged
6.) Joel Plaskett Emergency – Fashionable People || Ashtray Rock
7.) Ryan Van Winkle – Don’t Count On Me || single
8.) Phantogram – In My Head || single
9.) Jerry Leger – It’s So Strange || single
10.) Wide Orbit – He’s a Wizard || Introducing… Wide Orbit
11.) Nate and the Busy Boys – Burger Boy || Busy Doing Nothing
12.) Daniel Romano – Servo || single
13.) Penny & the Pits – Thick Black Gloves || Liquid Compactor
14.) Gouwzee – Rude Student || Gouwzee
15.) No, Tyler – RBC messed up my vacation pay! || single
16.) Big Wreck – Around || single
2FER || 2025-09-05
2Fer || 2025-09-05
Artist – Track || Album
1.) WITCH – Totally Devoted || SOGOLO
2.) WITCH – Kamusale || SOGOLO
3.) Penny & the Pits – Montenegro On Ice || Liquid Compactor
4.) Penny & the Pits – Pool Party || Liquid Compactor
5.) Wet Leg – CPR || moisturizer
6.) Wet Leg – pokemon || moisturizer
7.) Wombo – Danger In Fives || Danger In Fives
8.) Wombo – Spyhopping || Danger In Fives
9.) Mac DeMarco – Home || Guitar
10.) Mac DeMarco – Sweeter || Guitar
11.) Ada Lea – baby blue frigidaire mini fridge || when i paint my masterpiece
12.) Ada Lea – bob dylan’s 115th haircut ||when i paint my masterpiece
13.) Dominique Adams – Heart Fridge || To Keep
14.) Dominique Adams – Wood Eye || To Keep
15.) Lammping, Bloodshot Bill – Never Never || Never Never
16.) Lammping, Bloodshot Bill – Won’t Back Down || Never Never
17.) Saya Gray – SHELL (OF A MAN) || SAYA
18.) Saya Gray – LINE BACK 22 || SAYA
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-05
Mornings Are Hard
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Born Ruffians – To Be Seen || Beauty’s Pride
2.) Absolute Losers – At The Same Time || In The Crowd
3.) Limblifter – Ariel vs. Lotus || Bellacava
4.) Radiator – You Need To Know || 23 Park Street London UK
5.) Amber Hotel – Digital Ghost || single
6.) Kill Chicago – What Doesn’t Kill You|| The Rest
7.) They Say Stories – 49 Love || Daydreams Will Do
8.) The Dwarfs of East Agouza – Neptune Anteater || Sasquatch Landslide
9.) SANAM – Harik || Sametou Sawtan
10.) Jessica Moss – until all are free || Unfolding
11.) Ethel Cain – Nettles || Willoughby Tucks, I’ll Always Love You
12.) Sonova – Bond Trader || Frequent Flyer
People Need Music: September 4, 2025
This week, enjoy a mix of tunes perfect for students coming to UNB and STU, and those of us who Go To Work everyday. Lots of fun and rocking tracks for you, because People Need Music!
Playlist:
The Avett Brothers – Head Full of Doubt/Road Full of Promise ::
Aquakultre, Gary Beals, Haliey Smith – Scotia Born ::
Zach Pelletier – Go To Work ::
The Darcys – Miracle ::
Kathleen Edwards – Billionaire ::
Lake Street Dive – You Go Down Smooth ::
Classified – Wonder ::
Kylie Fox – Flush ::
Lou-Adriane Cassidy – Dis-moi, dis-moi, dis-moi ::
Allison Russell – Persephone ::
The Black Keys – Man on a Mission ::
Marcus Mumford, Oscar Issac, Punch Brothers – Fare Thee Well
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People Need Music: August 28, 2025
This summer, Tonya Price, had the opportunity to host an episode of The International Americana Music Show, which is a globally syndicated radio show, featuring the best Americana music made solely ?by non-American artists. Tonya showcased Canadiana artists like those heard this week on People Need Music.
Check out The International Americana Music Show at tiams.org
Playlist:
Ken Whiteley – Fast Freight Train ::
Charlie A’Court, Lloyd Spiegler and Suzie Vinnock – Blood From A Stone ::
Mia Kelly – Bonefish Boys ::
James LeClaire – Victim of the Blues ::
Spencer Burton – Going Fishin’ ::
Bobby Dove – New Endings, New Beginnings ::
Kaia Kater – Maker Taker ::
Allison Russell – The Returner ::
Les Salebarbes – Gin a l’eau salée ::
Tami Neilson – Salvation Mountain ::
Julian Taylor – Dedication ::
Lake of Stew – The Sioux ::
Georgia Harmer – Eye of the Storm ::
Zachary Lucky – Ramblin’ Man’s Lament
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-04
Mornings Are Hard
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Black Lips – Kassandra || single
2.) OSEES – INFECTED CHROME || ABOMINATION REVEALED AT LAST
3.) Die Spitz – Pop Punk Anthem (Sorry for the Delay) || Something To Consume
4.) John DeNicola – King of His Own World || Don’t Wait
5.) Sundog – Despacito || Across the Rift of Doubt
6.) Wormburner – Senve Hours Upstate || Last of the Winter Light
7.) Chillteens – Short King || In Another Dream
8.) Afternoon Bike Ride – Miss Universe || Running With Scissors
9.) Marissa Burwell – Minneapolis || Before The Hour’s Up
10.) Saya Gray – PUDDLE ( OF ME ) || SAYA
11.) Begonia – Marigold || Powder Blue
12.) Sylvia Black – Anyway || single
13.) DEBBY FRIDAY – Bet On Me || The Starr Of The Queen Of Life
Mornings Are Hard || 2025-09-03
Mornings Are Hard
Artist – Track || Album
1.) Frankie Cosmos – Against The Grain || Different Talking
2.) Basia Bulat – La La Lie || Good Advice
3.) Royel Otis – who’s your boyfriend || hickey
4.) Florence + The Machine – Everybody Scream || Everybody Scream
5.) The Beths – Straight Line Was A Lie || single
6.) Sloan – No Damn Fears || Based On the Best Seller
7.) WITCH – Queenless King || SOGOLO
8.) Alabama Shakes – Another Life || single
9.) Lammping, Bloodshot Bill – Never Never || Never Never
10.) Mother Mother – Love To Death (Chill Version) || single
11.) Sam Salmon & the Grand Manan Bandits – If I Needed You Now || single
12.) Mac DeMarco – Holy || Guitar
13.) TOPS – Wheels at Night || Bury The Key
14.) U.S. Girls – Like James Said || Scratch It
15.) Church of Trees – The Angry Sky || Thief of Joy
16.) Dominique Adams – To Keep || To Keep
Indie Whimsy Episode 46 (April 8th 2025)
heya! in this episode of indie whimsy you’ll hear:
- hangman – beat happening (jamboree)
- month of may – arcade fire (the suburbs)
- such great heights – iron & wine (give up 10th anniversary edition)
- the theory of relativity – stars (the north)
- why i cry – all-time quarterback (all-time quarterback)
- trap door – stars (no one is lost)
- will i see you – all girl summer fun band (summer of ’98)
- no cars go – arcade fire (neon bible)
- home – edward sharpe & the magnetic zeros (up from below)
- baby i – amy millan (honey from the tombs)
- chemistry – kimya dawson (my cute fiend sweet princess)
- i don’t know how i survive – death cab for cutie (asphalt meadows)
- end of the affair – the field mice (snowball)
- boyfriend – best coast (crazy for you)
- sparkle – cherry twister (at home with cherry twister)
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Harmony Whimsy (Indie Whimsy) Episode 45 (April 1st 2025)
hiya! in this totally normal and nothing suspicious episode of indie whimsy you’ll hear:
- give a little time – belle and sebastian (late developers)
- suburban war – arcade fire (the suburbs)
- times square go-go boy – east river pipe (shining hours in a can)
- we don’t want your body – stars (the five ghosts)
- spy – they might be giants (john henry)
- hold on when you get love and let go when you give it – stars (the north)
- he never finished the thought – the laughing chimes (whispers in the speech machine)
- windowsill – arcade fire (neon bible)
- sudden organ – yo la tengo (painful)
- ruby ii – amy millan (honey from the tombs)
- driftwood collection – sissy bar (statutory grape)
- more loves than stupids – bunnygrunt (karen hater’s club)
- art student (sarah version) – action painting! (trial cuts)
- mustard gas (edie mullen radio session 1994) – action painting! (trial cuts)
- 1 2 3! – pitcher56 (her abiding memory)
- l.i.f.e.g.o.e.s.o.n. – noah & the whale (last night on earth)
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Testing For Echo – Episode 84 – RUSH HOUR – Orig. Air Date August 30, 2025

Hello there everyone. This is Tim Scammell, host of the weekly show Testing For Echo on CHSR on Saturday afternoons at 3:00 pm and Tuesday mornings at 7:00.
This week I’m sort of cheating.
As most of you know, our show is an homage to the best band to ever have existed, RUSH.
Back in April 2025 we had a station fundraiser and played many special live shows all day.
I offered to do a live show of all RUSH music, with the station manager Mark Kilfoil and I conversing between songs.
I felt it would be cool to replay the show today, for those that missed it.
So here we go, this is Testing For Echo, RUSH Hour.
- Fly By Night
- A Passage to Bangkok
- A Farewell to Kings
- The Spirit of Radio
- Vital Signs
- The Weapon
- Time Stand Still
- Alien Shore
- Roll the Bones
- Test For Echo
- Far Cry
- Seven Cities of Gold
- The Garden
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Nothing in Particular: 2025-Aug-26
Episode 8. For this episode’s [x] Years Later segment, x = 29 and the artist is the Legendary Pink Dots, with news highlights from the years 1990 and 2019.
| Artist | Song | Album | Year |
|---|---|---|---|
| Simple Minds | Someone Somewhere In Summertime | New Gold Dream | 1982 |
| Peter Gabriel | The Tower That Ate People | Red Planet (Soundtrack) | 2001 |
| Margaret Glaspy | You and I | Emotions and Math | 2016 |
| Mother Mother | Latter Days | The Sticks | 2012 |
| The Jam | That’s Entertainment | Sound Affects | 1980 |
| The Jerry Cans | On The Rocks | Echoes | 2020 |
| Legendary Pink Dots | I Love You In Your Tragic Beauty | The Crushed Velvet Apocalypse | 1990 |
| Legendary Pink Dots | Junkyard | Angel In The Detail | 2019 |
| Ayub Ogada | Dala | En Mana Kuoyo | 1993 |
| Jaian | Mohamour (Alexis Le Tan Edit) | RePhrase Collection: Hard Fist Edit Series | 2018 |
| Rotersand | Beneath The Stars | Random Is Resistance | 2009 |
| Angelique Kidjo | Born Under Punches | Remain in Light | 2018 |
| John Mann | Ill Placed Monuments | Acoustic Kitty | 2002 |
| Jill Barber | Hold On | Metaphora | 2018 |
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Nothing in Particular: 2025-Aug-19
Episode 7. For this week’s [x] Years Later segment, x = 43 and the artist is Wire, with news highlights from the years 1977 and 2020.
| Artist | Song | Album | Year |
| Alan Parsons | Chomolungma | A Valid Path | 2004 |
| Darles Flow | Lost Tribes | Deep House Essentials: Blue Edition | 2020 |
| Anne Clark | Homecoming | Hopeless Cases | 1987 |
| Stars | The Night Starts Here | In Our Bedroom After the War | 2007 |
| The Beatles | Julia | White Album | 1968 |
| k.d. lang and the Siss Boom Bang | The Waters Edge | Sing It Loud | 2011 |
| Mackinaw | To the Salt | Key Anacon Road | 1999 |
| Wire | Mannequin | Pink Flag | 1977 |
| Wire | Eardrum Buzz (12″ Version) | It’s Beginning to and Back Again | 1989 |
| Wire | Primed and Ready | Mind Hive | 2020 |
| Nguyên Lê & Ngo Hong Quang feat. Paolo Fresuu | Cloud Chamber | Ha Noi Duo | 2017 |
| Contrived | The Void | Addicted to Saddness | 2024 |
| Conjure One w/ Jeff Martin | Premonition | Addicted to Saddness | 2002 |
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Testing For Echo – Episode 83 – Hungry for Great Tunes? This Will Help – Orig. Air Date August 16, 2025

Hi there folks. I hope that you are doing great and I’m really happy that you’ve tuned in.
This is episode 83 of Testing For Echo on CHSR FM 97.9 in Fredericton and around the world and I am your host Tim Scammell.
Episode Song List
- Styx – Lady – Remastered
- Depeche Mode – Heroes
- Josh Norrad – One Hand on the Wheel
- MELO – Don’t Feel a Thing
- Haken – A Cell Divides
- Gentle Hen – This Could Only Happen to You
- Tony Levin – Gut String Theory
- SAGA – Take a Chance
- Bill Bruford – Solo
- RUSH – Circumstances
- Envy of None – Dumb
- Tony Lewis – Here and Now
- Not Now – Isn’t Me
“The World of Music, One Song at a Time, Take Good Care”
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Nothing in Particular: 2025-Aug-05
| Episode 5. This week’s [x] Years Later segment, x = 29 and the artist is Alison Moyet, with news highlights from the years 1984 and 2013. | ![]() |
| Artist | Song | Album | Year |
| Fingers in the Noise | Apero Beat | Apero Beats | 2010 |
| Annie Lennox | Coloured Bedspread | Songs of Mass Destruction | 2007 |
| Kate Bush | Get out of My House | The Dreaming | 1982 |
| Rhys Fulber w/ Sara Taylor | Slip It In | Diaspora | 2020 |
| Covenant | In Theory | Sound Mirrors | 2016 |
| Kenji Kawai | UTA I – Making of Cyborg | Ghost in the Shell | 1995 |
| Huun-Huur-Tu | Oske Cherde | Sixty Horses In My Herd | 1994 |
| Alison Moyet | Where Hides Sleep | Alf | 1984 |
| Alison Moyet | Right as Rain | The Minutes | 2013 |
| Frazey Ford | Done | Indian Ocean | 2014 |
| Dan Mangan | Robots | Nice, Nice, Very Nice | 2009 |
| Andrew Kagumba | Nandere | Global Music: Volume I | 2024 |
| Caro | Links Inna Chain | Lowlands | 2021 |
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“Love goes into everything we do here”: Fredericton Community Kitchens sees uptick in meals served this year
The Fredericton Community Kitchens serve 11,516 meals per month through its daily meal service and outreach program. That number represents an 8% increase in the past twelve months.
Chef Louis Cosman oversees all the meals served at the Fredericton Community Kitchens’ Downtown location and makes it his personal responsibility to create a welcoming environment for Fredericton’s most hungry residents. According to Abby Clarke, that clientele includes people from all walks of life, including university students, families trying to make ends meet, and the elderly.
With over 70% of the food served in the kitchens coming from donations, Chef Cosman noted that he often gets creative with recipes. One of his most popular dishes in recent years was a chocolate chip meatloaf that not only generated buzz from those eating at the kitchen, but provided a lighthearted topic of conversation for people often faced with daunting daily challenges. Cosman finished by asserting that his work at the Fredericton Community Kitchen is the most fulfilling he has ever done, and that “love goes into everything we do here.”
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New paving on University of New Brunswick Campus amid calls for improved wheelchair accessibility
This summer, large sections of the roads on the University of New Brunswick’s Fredericton campus are being repaved. According to a statement by the University, The new maintenance to UNB’s roads are intended to repair drainage while also upgrading the adjacent sidewalks. Wren Meadus, a UNB student and full time wheelchair user, has advocated for improved sidewalk maintenance on campus since January 2025.
Wren described the current state of accessibility on campus as “not good at all,” with the hope that this new construction will address some of their concerns.
A major challenge facing Wren’s efforts to raise awareness for UNB’s accessibility shortfall was finding the right person to talk to. Back in the winter 2025 semester Wren fell from their wheelchair after hitting a pothole filled with snow. After Wren reported the incident to UNB administrators their complaint was directed to the University’s Student Accessibility Centre (SAC). The SAC then told Wren that the Centre only addressed classroom accommodations—not general advocacy or maintenance—resulting in Wren’s concerns getting passed around without any action. By the end of the semester Wren was assured that paving would be a top priority when the asphalt plants opened in May, a promise the University appears to be upholding.
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